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Apple iPhone 4

66owners with an opinion
71%of verdicts positive
22/12positive/negative since 2024
10 yrslongest happy owner
6happy after 3+ years

Praised for design and ease of use; criticized for reliability and performance.

What owners wrote

Likes itOwned 10 years
I remember the biggest "missing features" of the iPhone people asked for were MMS and OBEX, along with 3G. I also remember Apple had cared for most missing things by the iPhone 3G respectively iOS 3. Then they improved photo quality, speed and videos until the iPhone 4 respectively iOS 4/5. Similar things can be said about the iPad 2. After that, I've had the feeling the product didn't improve anymore, because there was nothing actually useful left to add. I've used my iPhone 4 for 10 years, while Apple enjoyed adding more complexity without true benefit, except maybe the file manager and on-device image editing.
Likes itOwned 5 yearsStill going
Indeed. I use an iPad to make drawings for online lessons. It made drawings well when I got it in 2012, and it continues to make drawings well. I won't ever upgrade unless it breaks or software updates junk it. Why would I? It would be a mistake to view my reluctance to upgrade as a bad thing, from apple's perspective. I've bought two MacBook airs since (I needed an upgrade for work projects). The fact that the iPad is so reliable is one of the reasons I buy apple products without much though. So far, they work, and they last. I'm writing this message on an iPhone 4 from 2010. Still works wonderfully. (only because I'm running iOS 5 though)
Likes itOwned 4 years
I bought a new Nexus 5 about ~6 months after reveal to supersede my aging iphone 4 that was 4 years old at that point. At the beginning I was super excited about the very good performance, just after less than 6 months the performance started to become sluggish, battery life was noticeably worse and while with my iphone 4 I had probably 4 reboots or freezes in 4 years, in 6 months with the nexus 5 I had many more such problems. The worst was a loop boot after 1 year and something that killed my battery from 80% to 0 very quickly and, very luckily, after it was dead it didn't continue loop booting. It happened to me another one or two times if I recall correctly. The phone was 100% stock, I never flashed anything at all, I just performed the android updates. Arrived at the point of having a quite strong desire to throw it against the wall pretty much every day, I sold it to my friend's father when it was 1 year and 8 months old. I begged my friend to thoroughly test it before getting it and I gave him a really good price and he was very happy with the performance (I still can't fathom how in the world it is possible...). After 8 - 10 months his father could not use it anymore because it won't charge. After that awful experience I would rather get a kick in my genitalia than an android phone.
Likes itOwned 4 yearsStill going
I have an iphone 4 running ios 5.1.1, jailbroken. It's great. It runs incredibly fast after four years: Cydia has a good cleaning app, and a speed increase app that removes animations. Mine look faster than ios 7 apps on new iphones. I disable safari, and hardly use apps. I just use it to text message, call, take pictures, make calendar entries, check the time, and occasionally take notes, though I prefer a paper notepad for that. I'm sometimes asked why I have a smartphone at all, but I like the UI, and it does everything I want to do very quickly, while looking nice. I don't really want to upgrade, but there's no option to buy my current configuration again if this breaks.
Likes itOwned 4 years
EDIT: who would downvote this? (I'm saying that iOS 5 is nice, but it's mostly just adding features that directly copy its competitor Android, and not even all of them. Android had been copying in 2009-2010, but now it's Apple. A lot of people, even devs, don't realize that Droid has had all these features for months. I hadn't.) I have an iPhone 4, I've had iPhones for 4 years. I love the iPhone. I tried a Nexus S with the newest Android recently. Using it, I learned that Android is, frankly, today, ahead of iOS on the phone side. Android's notification system is better. It's so much better, that Apple directly copied it. Android's hardware back button works, it works well, and it frees up more screen real estate for useful content. Android's home button is more consistent. Its apps are more powerful, google talk video works great. Its wireless seamless binary-only updates are revolutionary. Apple has fallen behind, and will only catch up with iOS 5 in the Fall. Of course, I fully expect Google to innovate further and be even farther ahead in 2012. The coolest thing by far, and this is something that Apple won't have in the foreseeable near future, is voice recognition. Google's voice commands work suspiciously well. I find it far easier to press a button and say "text John Appleseed: Hey, let's go to the movies tomorrow at 3" than to navigate menus and type it in. Google's tech recognizes words and phrases I wouldn't expect it to. Apple still has more apps, but t
Likes itOwned 2 yearsStill going
It seems like backing up your media files to a Dropbox-like service instead of iCloud would solve the problem of being able to get your files from any device you want. I'm not attached to any one device in particular because all of my content is stored on a third party that can be accessed from anywhere. I could drop my Macbook Pro or iPhone 4 at any time and not feel like I'm missing something. Good thing about Apple products is that they last awhile, my Macbook Pro is now 3 years old, and my iPhone 4 is 2 years old, and I haven't had any issues and don't plan on upgrading them until they break.
Doesn’t like it
There was a time when phone upgrades had big jumps in features that had a lot of excitement and people camping out to get one. I think this counts as one of those big jumps for Apple. I haven't been excited since I spent a lot of time checking the phone stores for an iPhone 4 and when I got it the feel was off - it seemed too fancy and too easy to break or scratch. I imagine this is a ~$2000 device, it's a lot of money for something you can drop, or get crunched in your pocket or bag. My pet peeve is no real Firefox and ublock: origin on iOS. The ecosystem is too restricted, and yet pushes apps that send all the telemetry at the same time. I'm more excited for future meshtastic enables phones, maybe some enterprising Chinese manufacturer will make the rugged LoRA phone of my dreams!
Likes it
I'd like to have one of these devices once the prices get a bit more normal. I remember paying 400€ for an iPhone 4 when it came out, a flagship phone at the time by all metrics. Adjusted for inflation, that's about 600€. Flagship prices have now reached the 1000€ mark, with marginal upgrades, and in many cases actual downgrades. There is no world in which I can justify paying 2x-4x the flagship price for a device fulfilling a fundamentally similar purpose. For a different comparison, a 14" MacBook Pro costs that much.
Doesn’t like it
This was only running on 4x3090s man. The gap is far, far wider than you think. 8 5090s or 6000s and at least as many extra dedicated to doing nothing but running disgusting amounts of monte carlo in parallel from anything resembling a good choice (fuck it check some bad ones too) would lay him to waste. I am going to go out on a limb and say part of it is a matter of respect, and part "lets not discourage and scare the shit out of anyone who knows even a little about Go" A long time ago I ported a Go game to the iPhone for a job, the only way to control difficulty was to limit the amount of time it could spend monte carloing. On the iPhone 4, "Hard" would take 20-30 seconds a turn and drain your battery. I learned the game as I was making the app, got into single digits vs humans years after that. When the iPhone 5S came out it was capable of doing so many more iterations a second that even the easiest difficulty destroyed me until I spent enough time figuring out which moves created the worst spaces for it to search, which isn't really playing go anymore it's more like mining bitcoin by hand.
Likes it
He was correct that changing hand positions had a positive effect and a minor imposition. If they had recalled the phones I wouldn't have sent mine back the iPhone 4 was great and I was a satisfied customer. This was a long time ago and it is probably time to move on. https://news.macgasm.net/iphone-news/how-apple-fixed-antenna...
Likes it
Who designed such ridiculous camera bump? People who remember when phones had "flat backsides" and were constantly getting scratched and abraded by regular use just putting them on tables and picking them up again. The tripod posture is a feature, not a bug. I still occasionally use my iPhone 4 as a music player, and the flat back not only makes it susceptible to scratching, it makes it hard to pick up off of smooth surfaces like my coffee table. With a bump, you have something to grip.
Neutral
Canada is currently at 31%, and I call BS. Some of us have this self-image of a country where people trust each other, but that doesn't make it true. On one hand, I dropped my brand new iPhone 4 (whatever year that was) at a concert, and it was waiting for me at the bar. Multiple people did the right thing in that particular case. On the other hand, I've had a backpack and camera stolen. I've even had toilet paper stolen while I was loading my car (during COVID). I've worked in offices where laptops have been stolen. Everyone has a story like this.
Likes it
In my experience, iPhone 4 was better than iPhone 8 which is better than iPhone 17. Either I got lucky, went to more interesting places and composed better, or the technology is getting worse from an aesthetic point-of-view. I definitely had more keepers, more memorable photos of a higher subjective quality. I pretty much don't bother with iPhotography now. Similar story on Android but I won't bore with the model names and numbers. Older handsets gave better results. Pre-smartphone, king of the hill was the Sony K800, I loved the photos from that phone. No fancy software, just quality hardware and straightforward processing gave consistent results. That said, I should try Halide app. Bringing it back to basics with less computation might be the way forward for me.
Doesn’t like it
You remember the funny turn of phrase instead of how bad the reception was in your iPhone 4, and how it ruined the experience of owning it. Because it wasn't that big of a deal in the end.
Likes it
It was since at least the iPhone 4. I still have the old digital AV connector from before they switched to lightning. It came with a hdmi port and a usb port. You could plug an SD card reader into the usb port and use it as an external HDD for transferring files.
Likes it
I loved the iPhone 4 format factor, but prefer more recent and larger editions for battery life and battery longevity. My only gripe with the 6.7 inch form factor would be solved if someone would just sell me a bigger hand. I can’t hold it one handed and reach the far corner of the screen without some obnoxious accessory like a Popsocket bolted to the back thereby making it impossible to use on a flat surface or fit in a pocket. Come to think of it, Zaphod might have been on to something with that third arm.
Neutral
I have had an apple id problem myself, for the past N years. Mine is an old mac.com account, which has my Gmail address as the backup email (and the primary one now that mac.com isn't doing email anymore). Because of this, I cannot sign up for a new account with my Gmail (it is tied to the older mac.com account). I've managed to reset the password, but I must answer a security question to log in. I mean, I answered those security questions probably a decade ago and I do not know what they are anymore. You can reset your security questions, but to do that you need to use an iPhone (last one I owned was a 4) that is still logged in, or, answer a security question. Which is as we established, the problem. So every couple of months I log in, try a few other possible answers, get them wrong, and get locked out for a bit. Anyway, I need to get this fixed my march, due to apple being the formula one streamer in my country now, so I have to actually solve the problem of logging in to my apple account. Or, I guess, making another random email just so I can watch f1. Sigh. But if anyone knows how to reset security questions, I'd love to know. I would way rather pay apple actual money than go back to torrenting the races.
Doesn’t like it
There are 2 problems to this. 1. I seriously doubt Apple was accidentally displaying more bars on the phone. If it was a "bars" issue then it was almost certainly done deliberately to make the iPhone reception look better than what it was. 2. It wasn't just bars. I had this phone and you would literally drop off calls by holding the phone differently when you hadn't done anything else. There was a genuine problem with the phone that I don't think was ever resolved other than people getting used to holding the phone differently like Steve Jobs told us to. I lost my iPhone and switched to a hand me down from my parents which was a generation older and the service was significantly better.
Likes it
iPhone 4 was a beautiful piece of hardware, but it felt indulgent. Just too heavy (it’s still my second favorite iPhone design). The iPhone 5 and 5S were a better compromise in terms of performance and design per gram. I contend they were the peak of utilitarian industrial design. Plus lightning port, and touchid on the 5S. Maybe the finest example of the “naked robotic core” that you stuff in the case of your choice.
Doesn’t like it
The title at hacker News is not the title of the article. The answer to the "when" question is of course when they gave up the curved iPhone 3s design for the iPhone 4 which felt like a sharp brick and had antenna problems but only if you held it in an unapproved way. Oh, and God, now I'm hahaving traumatic flashbacks to the bad camera on the iPhone 4. I gave up after my third one and the Apple employee told me I was just thinking about it wrong.
Likes it
I remember how much I liked my old iPhone 4. I liked the straight edges and crisp look and feel. I upgraded eventually to an iPhone 6 and hated the roundness - the design language of the phone said one thing to me, and that was "drop me on the ground and break me". I got a case for only minutes after I bought it so it would have a chance of survival. Currently on an iPhone 12 mini and happy both that the clean straight edges came back, and that Apple's still making the occasional small phone.